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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Feb 1, 2020 15:11:55 GMT -6
the prospect list you are using lists 10 catchers in the top 100. Zero relievers. according to fantrax among last years top 100 fantasy players for our league 17 were relief pitchers. Not one catcher qualified for the top 100. In fact there were only 2 catchers inside the top 200. So yeah you're list is pure garbage Meaning RP is the easiest asset to find.
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 1, 2020 15:16:50 GMT -6
meaning every team gets one dominant reliever only in a 16 team league. The league knows this and are paying through the nose for it. Thus drafting that elite reliever gives you 5 years of control and is the smartest thing you can do. Look at reliever prices they are far above catcher and not far from 2B and SS. That shows the absolute priority they must have .... except in your minor league evaluation where none are in the top 100 hahaha
I can't believe I have to explain fantasy baseball to you after all these years but here we are
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 1, 2020 15:26:25 GMT -6
and if RP isn't your thing let's talk bat first 1B or DH style guys. Never high on prospect lists but excel in fantasy (Yordan Alvarez was ranked outside the top 40, lower than Sean Murphy)
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Post by Cincinnati Reds (Mike) on Feb 1, 2020 17:28:03 GMT -6
I think a cool thing about this league is the number of different approaches that can reasonably be taken to building a team, and people sharing different opinions. Thanks to Royals and Cards for putting stuff together. (I think I'm properly rated too - the well definitely ran pretty dry after the graduations I had last year.)
I do agree with a lot of the points Yanks has made. For RP, closers or set-up men with good ratios who hit free agency go for a premium - and, being relievers, there's still a decent bust rate. I've started to gravitate towards intriguing RP in the 6th-7th-8th rounds who at least look to have a path to holds. Best case, if they evolve into a closer, you get close to 5 years for a total of $18.5 and $10 the last year is still plenty palatable. If they don't amount to much (like Trevor Hildenberger for me), you can still get 2-3 years of holds for a buck or three and then cut them.
I've also started to embrace the "bad defenders" in the draft and it's worked out in recent years - Alonso, Yordan, Calhoun. Having the second utility spot really makes it easier to accommodate a DH. I will defend the use of regular prospect rankings to some extent, especially when you get down to fringe top 100 guys. Guys who are league average hitters, especially at premium defensive positions, have value in this league. Calhoun had a 110 OPS+ last year and was pretty valuable in the second half - but if he slides to 95-100, he starts losing playing time. And then guys can surprise you sometimes too...Lindor was a top-level prospect because of his defense at shortstop and he was going to hit for average...but turned out to develop 30+ HR power.
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Post by New York Mets GM(Randy) on Feb 1, 2020 17:28:09 GMT -6
As I am just now getting to this thread, I will say that my system is crap and I agree I should be near the bottom.
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 1, 2020 17:34:29 GMT -6
Very well said Mike
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Feb 1, 2020 18:07:58 GMT -6
Nicky Lopez? Tommy yanks. Come on. 2 hr. 1 sb. 240 avg in 379 abs? That is a negative contribution. If Nicky Lopez and an RP is your argument ok contribution you are jaded lol
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 1, 2020 19:36:46 GMT -6
In year one 3 players make the majors one has a big contribution yeah that's contributing to MLB. You can skew your argument however you want. You made the idiotic comment that you had to go back "4-5 years" to find guys who contributed to my team. I listed 3 from just last season. And if you want to dig even deeper both of my first two picks, just last year alone, are in your coveted top 100 players. So 2 top 100 guys and 3 contributing players including one who is top 10 at his position in YEAR ONE.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Feb 2, 2020 10:57:48 GMT -6
We can have these arguments without using insults.
Buttrey did contribute strongly last year and I overlooked him. However, there were 11 RPs with more holds that were mostly FA for 1.0 contracts and the highest was 7 and about 30 with similar stats for an average of 4.0. We will have to wait 2-3 years to see what MVPs you passed on to get your 2 category guy. (Marco Luciano 2 picks later??? Noelvi marte?) Then rays snagged almost the same guy in yoan lopez at 112.
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Post by Tampa Bay Rays GM(Jordan) on Feb 2, 2020 11:30:31 GMT -6
Lopez was good for Holds only. But he was not as dominant as Buttrey was. Jose Castillo was supposed to be that guy but Injured .
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 2, 2020 11:34:01 GMT -6
You keep changing your argument to fit what you want. It doesn't matter what MVP's (LOL at Liciano and Marte) I passed on, (every team passed on them) it matters that I got a very solid contributor that already helped my team after you said you had to go back 5 years to find one. Now you are calling relievers "2 category" guys which once again highlights that you truly don't understand fantasy baseball. There is no insults here only the truth
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 2, 2020 12:02:02 GMT -6
and by the way not sure where you get your "facts" from but Andrew Miller was $10 so what are you talking about $7 guys. There also was only 9 relievers with more holds than Buttrey last season not 11. How can you be so wrong so often? -- Buttrey also added 2 saves which 4 top 10 guys didn't manage to do, he also added 6 wins which was 2nd most among the top 15 middle relievers (and as many as Chris Sale and Blake Snell), and had the 4th most strikeouts among the top 20 middle relievers.
"2 category guy" hahaha
In year one I got a player top 10 at his position, a full 5 category producer and will have him for years. The end of the discussion.
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Post by Atlanta Braves GM(T.J.) on Feb 3, 2020 8:20:48 GMT -6
Thank you Kyle for the insight!
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Feb 3, 2020 8:54:51 GMT -6
you're using prospect lists on OVERALL GAME PLAY. Weirdly defense doesn't count in this league hahahaha If you believe that Emmanuel Clase or Andres Munoz won't be more valuable than Daulton Varsho then we know why you lose every single year. Want me to put this on the board bet? Is this forever or just year one?
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 3, 2020 8:57:24 GMT -6
put on whatever board you want but also put on the board that you think Luciano and Marte win an MVP in 2 years. That was fantastic insight
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