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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Dec 30, 2015 12:59:45 GMT -6
For you new owners. I wanted to give some perspective of what a bad trade looks like. Let me reference some for you. Yanks Send: Jesse Hahn - 2017* - $13.00 Dylan Bundy 4th round pick 2015 Pirates Send: David Price - 2017* - $29.75 A.J. Pollack - 2016* - $1.00 I accept and drop Brian Wilson for roster space Pirates Send: Nick Markakis $19 2014 Anthony Rendon $1 2017 RC Yankees Send: Mark Buehrle $5.85 2014 Logan Forsythe $1 2016 3rd rd pick I accept Braves send: Prospect - Kaleb Cowart Prospect - Danny Duffy Prospect - Chad James Propsect - Christian Colon Angels send: David Price 2012 1st rd pick I accept [glow=red,2,300]YOUR MOVE CARDS![/glow] Indians send Justin Moreau $32.5 OY* Hector Noesi $4.8 2015* Kyle Gibson - prospect 1st round pick 2nd round pick (ORG:CHC) Cubs send Miguel Cabrera $48.6 2015* 6th round pick Pre - 2011 Braves Send Clatyon Kershaw Yankees Send Gordon Beckham Other nuggets - Paul Goldschmidt was undrafted in this league Jake Arrieta was drafted and cut in this league 1-2 years before he put it together with the Cubs (I drafted him) Aj Pollock wan undrafted player Josh Donaldson was an undrafted player *This article was not intended to implicate any manager of anything besides trading for good players. Feel free to reference other bad trades I may have missed. |
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Post by Rangers GM (Dustin) on Dec 30, 2015 17:21:35 GMT -6
Why do you feel the need to bring up stuff like this. According to this post, you haven't ever made a bad trade. You can't just look at a trade like this and not take into account other factors that go into a trade. For instance, I was trying to unload cap space for the next season and prepare for the draft and to do that sometimes you have to add something to sweeten the pot. And besides Rendon hasn't done anything since I traded him.
Secondly, you can't see in the future so players improve, worsen, get injured, etc. When I traded pollack he was coming off an injury and wasn't half the player he is now. I was also getting back Hahn and Bundy, two young pitchers with lots of potential. I didn't know they were going to get injured. That's how trades work. I'm sure kershaw for beckham was at one point not as lopsided as well. Just as you said Goldschmidt, Arrieta, Donaldson, and Pollack came from out of nowhere, so who is to say what will be considered a good trade months or years from now.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Dec 30, 2015 17:40:15 GMT -6
That's all I was doing was providing perspective.
I want to help the new gms avoid trading their kershaws and correas.
No trade replaces them when they are a dollar.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Dec 30, 2015 17:57:21 GMT -6
There's a fix for this. I can just delete this nonsense.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Dec 30, 2015 19:11:03 GMT -6
I'm just trying to help the new guys not shoot themselves in the foot an to let the top prospects grow on their team.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Dec 30, 2015 20:15:29 GMT -6
Where's the deal, those trades where passed so obviously they were not bad at the time. A better way to help them out is to tell them to look thru the trades that have went thru for examples of what is acceptable and thru the trade discussions for examples of what warrants a veto. Post like this just erk the people being referenced because everyone has their own motives at the time of the trade. Hindsight is always 20/20. Well....except for this one. This is just bad management on your part, fuckin brutal  Stars send Carlos Carrasco-rookie contract Cards send Rights to Miguel Cabrera Lance Lynn-prospect #86 |
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Dec 30, 2015 23:05:15 GMT -6
Haha. I didn't post that one bc carrasco panned out and I got the cap out of it. One of my worst for sure.
My real purpose was to highlight the value of high prospects.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Dec 31, 2015 7:07:57 GMT -6
I don't think you can take much solace in Carrasco finally panning out considering you cut him just months after that trade.
Anyhow, just giving you a hard time
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Dec 31, 2015 10:23:26 GMT -6
That is definitely one of my worst trades! A good point of reference to keep guys who are top 25 bc they can't be replaced
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Jan 1, 2016 15:07:27 GMT -6
This is possibly one of the dumbest posts we've ever had here but I'm glad it's been posted because you new guys get nice insight as to who Cards is. He will tell you exactly how to run your team and how bad of a job you're doing. You're players are all terrible and his will all have the greatest years ever.
Cards by the way has ZERO championships but feels the need to point out "bad trades". It's literally impossible to evaluate a trade with no background of the teams salary cap, position in the rankings, and thought process.
One of the worst trades in leagues history was this me trading away Mike Trout for Matt Moore. On the surface dumb awful trade and KC robbed me, but the reality is I needed a starter bad and had 4 CF's at the time. I made what Cards called a "dumb trade" but won the championship that year.
I'll take a championship team and have Cards continue to call it a bad trade anyday. The fact he is so obsessed with trades that went through a trade committee years ago tells you all you really need to know.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Jan 1, 2016 19:05:24 GMT -6
I didn't bring up trout for Moore bc of that very reason.
You have a knack for getting star players from new GMs for less than you should bc they are looking to improve their teams now which robs them of the top 20 talent like Correa and kershaw. Quantity is not quality. Just trying to help the new guys.
Feel free to post other trades with new GMs like this that you see.
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Jan 2, 2016 3:38:45 GMT -6
"star players for less than you should" is just an awesome sentence. It's what YOU view it as less than you should. SO you leave out trades where I clearly lost only to show trades where I got "star players for less value?" It's absolutely hilarious how every time we have new owners you run to them and tell them not to trade with me, TJ and Mike and then make outrageous trade offers to them ripping them off.
These owners are smarter than that, I'm hoping and assuming, and can see right through this petty little game you've played with every new owner.
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Jan 2, 2016 3:52:37 GMT -6
I think the best lesson of taking advantage of a new manager would be when you grabbed the new Stars manager before any of us and got him and got the best deal in league history. Matt Harvey, Lyles, Castellanos, and David Ortiz for Starlin Castro and 3 absolute bums who never made the majors. (Reckling, Francisco, and Havens)
I wonder why that deal wasn't in your post?
Or your Nolan Arenando (rookie contract) for Luke Gregerson (last year of his deal) deal hmmmm
I like Jared as a person but this is just the same BS he always pulls. By the way Cards the Kershaw for Beckham deal you constantly reference and you're so obsessed about that you have it on your own team page ... yeah after that happened I missed the playoffs and TJ had the best record in the league. Somehow though that's still a dumb trade. LOL
TJ traded a pitcher that was 8-8 that season and 5-5 the year before with a 4.26 ERA for a #8 overall first round pick what had 14 homers, 7 steals and 63 RBI in just 100 games.
Context ... all about context.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Jan 2, 2016 8:06:12 GMT -6
Thanks for referencing those deals.
They were meant to show what can happen.
Starlin castro had just busted on the seen and Harvey was looking like a reliever and Ortiz was looking washed up.
Gregerson was a pretty elite reliever before arenado vaulted his prospect status and was going to be a 1b bc of his poor defense. Even you said he would be a 15 Hr guy or so.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Jan 2, 2016 9:33:29 GMT -6
And here I thought all the drama would be gone after booting the brothers.
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