Yet another rule change

[New York Yankees GM(Tommy)]

How I'm in a bidding war with someone over the cap is beyond me. It's been told to me that this is legal. For this year yes it is but we have to take a hard look at this in the offseason. We have to look at all the rules now it seems with people trying to find backdoors in the rulebook. The rule of extra cap space in the offseason was instituted so guys had the ability to make trades and work with their current roster, it was not put in place so owners can upbid players at free will. This is not against Cubs as he is playing by the "rules" but this has got to be changed. We keep getting away from the salary cap aspect and every bending of the rules we do gets us further from why the league was created in the first place. The constant dropping of players, in trading for cap relief only to get the players back later and now upbidding when you are over the cap is destroying the whole purpose of a salary cap league. So mark this down as yet another rule that we have to look at for 2015.

[Brewers GM(Mike)]

I think the "offseason salary cap" of 300 should only apply to trades, not to money you are able to spend on free agents.

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Feb 20, 2014 12:09:22 GMT -6 New York Yankees GM(Tommy) said:

How I'm in a bidding war with someone over the cap is beyond me. It's been told to me that this is legal. For this year yes it is but we have to take a hard look at this in the offseason. We have to look at all the rules now it seems with people trying to find backdoors in the rulebook. The rule of extra cap space in the offseason was instituted so guys had the ability to make trades and work with their current roster, it was not put in place so owners can upbid players at free will. This is not against Cubs as he is playing by the "rules" but this has got to be changed. We keep getting away from the salary cap aspect and every bending of the rules we do gets us further from why the league was created in the first place. The constant dropping of players, in trading for cap relief only to get the players back later and now upbidding when you are over the cap is destroying the whole purpose of a salary cap league. So mark this down as yet another rule that we have to look at for 2015.

Not against be but against me hahaha!!! Why u entered this league to play Fantasy baseball or Change Rules???

Teams are allowed to bid on a free agent even if that bid will put them over the salary cap. This way a team will not have to drop a player and then not win the free agent auction. With this said, if you win a free agent and become over the salary cap, you will have 24 hours from the time that you win the free agent to do whatever is necessary to get under the cap. If you do not get under the cap within those 24 hours, your bid will become invalid and the next highest bidder will win the free agent. If there is no other bidder then that player's auction must be restarted from scratch, but the team that was the only bidder must wait 10 days before they can bid on that player.

Example:
- Blue Jays have $1 Mil available in cap space
- They win Player A at $1.5 Mil at 10:00am (Day 1)
- Commish officially announces the winning bid at 5:00pm (Day 1)
- Blue Jays must get under the cap by 10:00am (Day2)

So the 24 hours starts after you win the bid, not when the commish makes it official.









[Brewers GM(Mike)]

Cubs we all know that if you win Davis that you'll most likely just have Tigers or Rays bail you out again. And that IS a problem.

[Red Sox GM(Landon)]

I understand why we have an offseason salary cap and it should stay in place but we need to tweak it a little. Something like you are allowed to sign or trade for a player that will put you over the cap but you have to get back under the cap before you can bid on another player. That would allow people to make moves freely over the offseason but would keep teams over the cap from bidding on players that would put them over the cap even more.

[New York Yankees GM(Tommy)]

There are certain rules in place that were established because never in a million years would anyone think they'd have someone in a FREE fantasy league trying to bend rules all the time. I was there was the rule was put in place and the reason it was was so teams could make trades in the offseason not to upbid on player after player with no cap.

This is the same thing as last year when you were adding and dropping 3-4 players per week. There is no way anyone could have imagined that becoming a problem and it never was for the 5+ years before last. So when an owner finds a loophole we then must discuss how to prevent that from happening. Are you here to play fantasy baseball or just try and find loopholes?

[New York Yankees GM(Tommy)]

Let's also point out that you are clearly just upping the bids on players for the sake of upping the bids. There is no intent here other than screw other owners. Again not something the league establishers would have even imagined someone would be so petty to do.

So already over the cap and in a position where you are forced to make a move, you re-up your own bid on the same player from 4 year $7 to 4 years $8 ! But this is all in the "rules" so it's perfectly fine.

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Feb 20, 2014 12:28:52 GMT -6 Brewers GM(Mike) said:

Cubs we all know that if you win Davis that you'll most likely just have Tigers or Rays bail you out again. And that IS a problem.

I'll help anyone in need of Help with cap or whatever so just Can it there , the only problem i see in this league is guys Overspending on TOP RFA and driving up the rookie buy out program

[Atlanta Braves GM(T.J.)]

Feb 20, 2014 12:32:41 GMT -6 Red Sox GM(Landon) said:

I understand why we have an offseason salary cap and it should stay in place but we need to tweak it a little. Something like you are allowed to sign or trade for a player that will put you over the cap but you have to get back under the cap before you can bid on another player. That would allow people to make moves freely over the offseason but would keep teams over the cap from bidding on players that would put them over the cap even more.

Good idea Landon!

[Brewers GM(Mike)]

I think we need to look at implementing something ASAP

[New York Yankees GM(Tommy)]

Well we have this rule that needs to be looked at and at the end of last season we said the #1 rule change would be more of a penalty for dropping guys. This rule must be voted on and enforced now or we will have another situation like last year and we all know how that turned out.

[New York Yankees GM(Tommy)]

and I know we all agreed to a limit of transactions. What's that official ruling. I assume it started before the offseason began so we need a running total.

[Cardinals GM(Jared)]

How will we track this?

[Colorado Rockies GM(John)]

I guess technically you could bid on players that put you over the cap with no intention of clearing room for them. After 24 hours it would then revert to the owner of the previous highest bid. Who likely would have since long moved on. Thus screwing them over.

I agree with Indians, it should be a hard cap for free agent bidding. Only got 1M left then you can only bid 1M. Trades are different because if you didnt get back under the cap in 24 hours the trade would be cancelled. However the trade wouldnt have passed the approval period by then anyway so its not like the other innocent owner would have to give back any players.

[New York Yankees GM(Tommy)]

so i'd say we have a pretty overwhelming majority here. Can we put this into effect ?