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Post by Atlanta Braves GM(T.J.) on Oct 25, 2012 12:42:43 GMT -6
OK there is some discrepancy issues with the rookie contract buyout program and this needs to be solved quickly.
When we voted in the rookie contract buyout program it was disgussed and understood that this would now revoke RFA rights for graduating rookie contracts. You either get to sign him while you still have control or let him go to FA the following year and hope you can sign him then.
Apparently not everyone realized this so now we should just put it to a vote. Do rookie contracts still get RFA rights?
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Oct 25, 2012 12:44:21 GMT -6
It was my understanding that yes RFA rights for rookies were not affected. It was just an option to buy out the remaining year and lock a guy up longer so we have more of a dynasty feel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 12:54:33 GMT -6
It was my understanding that yes RFA rights for rookies were not affected. It was just an option to buy out the remaining year and lock a guy up longer so we have more of a dynasty feel. CORRECT! This is what I really Agreed Upon!
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Post by Colorado Rockies GM(John) on Oct 25, 2012 13:18:13 GMT -6
Makes sense to me. Most guys arent superstars but that doesnt mean you wouldnt want to re-sign them. I dont think you should have to make an average or borderline player the third highest paid player at his position just to retain him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 13:20:56 GMT -6
Makes sense to me. Most guys arent superstars but that doesnt mean you wouldnt want to re-sign them. I dont think you should have to make an average or borderline player the third highest paid player at his position just to retain him. Right On!
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Post by Atlanta Braves GM(T.J.) on Oct 25, 2012 13:27:54 GMT -6
If i am the lone NO(which I am not voting) then so be it. This is not how real baseball works. A team either has the right to negotiate with their rookie contract/arbitration eligible guys to a contract extension (our buyout program) or they let them walk after the year is up and try to then negotiate with him in the FA market like everyone else.
And this comes from someone who benefits the most if we agree to let expiring rookie contracts keep their RFA rights.
I am not looking to complicate things just need to tell you all how I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 13:32:38 GMT -6
Well Ur not the Lone NO cause someone's with you! If you want it to be this OR that then just leave it alone NO Rookie buyouts then we could just leave it as it was before, just another idea!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 13:40:55 GMT -6
Oke if it's for the League to Real then it shouldn't be a problem for Example look what CUBS did with Castro! Buy a few years to get him cheaper but they still Gambled but IF they didn't choose to Extend himm he could of Easily make More In Arbitration but He's still a Cub! That is how I feel about it
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Oct 25, 2012 13:51:44 GMT -6
It was my understanding that yes RFA rights for rookies were not affected. It was just an option to buy out the remaining year and lock a guy up longer so we have more of a dynasty feel. My opinion
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Oct 25, 2012 13:58:45 GMT -6
So we're playing fantasy baseball in the pre Curt Flood era???
I thought that was the point of the rookie buyout was to make this league more like real baseball. I understand this is a dynasty but doesn't it take some of the challenge out of the league if you only have to build the dynasty once and then you can retain your studs forever thru extensions and rfa rights and thenall you have to do is plug a few holes which could be done by replenishing thru the draft?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 14:07:15 GMT -6
Eh whatever! See you guys AFTER the WS peace out!
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Oct 25, 2012 14:12:56 GMT -6
Indians I understand your point and I am not really fighting this rule but wanna give my 2 cents. And I freely admit I always push for more dynasty feel. I will say this though unfortunately we only have the ability to sign guys to short contracts so we have to have something in place to be able to retain a player long term. If we could give out 7-8 even 10 year deals then I'd agree totally with your argument but 4 year deals out of a rookie deal hurt the draft and definitely hurt the dynasty feel. I for one want unlimited contracts but I also know no one would agree. This is a good way to keep the short contracts but also reward people for drafting well.
For example we are talking about real baseball. In real baseball the club gets their rookies for 5 years + when you include arbitration, they can also get a hometown discount, and give 10 year deals. It would suck for Rockies to draft Harper then in 4 years the guy is just 23 and he can't retain him. We should have a way to keep 2-3 cornerstone players and this is sort of a way of doing that. Giving the league stability and that dynasty feel we all signed up for. This also prohibits stacking of teams and cheap guys. People with more money will drive the average prices up, making the market reflect the stars and makes that owner not just look to next year but rather 3-4 years down the road. Again totally not fighting here just my opinion.
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Post by Red Sox GM(Landon) on Oct 25, 2012 14:23:41 GMT -6
I like this idea but maybe this and the rookie buy out plan just need some tweaking to make it more realistic. Because I agree that is isn't totally like MLB but its about the best we can do with how the league is set up. Yanks is right that to make it more "real" we would need longer term contracts but I get what Indians is saying about how this allows teams to just keep resigning the same players over and over. It seems like there has to be some kind of middle ground between the buyout option and just normal RFA, like some kind of arbitration like system that would go in place for the next 2 seasons before they become a free agent, restricted or unrestricted that could be decided later. If we worked that out then the buyout option could still be in place and we could even allow for players on the rookie buyout system to have 5 or 6 year deals and that could be the version of a hometown discount, even though there isn't a monetary discount you would have control of them for longer.
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Post by Colorado Rockies GM(John) on Oct 25, 2012 14:50:33 GMT -6
The thing about bringing up real baseball is that in real baseball as Yankees pointed out you are not constrained by 4 year deals. You should be able to sign guys to 15 year deals then if you want to.
If you drafted/traded for them as prospects you should have the opportunity to keep them beyond their first 4 years (which arent going to be the best years for most players) without having to go to exorbitant prices just to keep a 4th fantasy outfielder or backup first baseman type.
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Post by Atlanta Braves GM(T.J.) on Oct 25, 2012 15:02:49 GMT -6
Well one thing we can all agree to is that this is not real baseball. It is a great hybrid league which strives to adapt.
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