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Post by Red Sox GM(Landon) on Jul 13, 2012 10:56:33 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of whoever wins the "loser" bracket getting the first pick in a dynasty league. I do that in one year leagues because people completely check out in those when they are out of playoff contention but I still the think the number one pick should go to the worst record
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Jul 13, 2012 12:44:30 GMT -6
I understand not everyone is going to be a fan of that but if we went to 6 teams in the winners bracket. That would eliminate the top teams from getting the top picks. I like this idea of the winner of the losers bracket getting the top because it will keep team engaged. It is possible to rebuild and still compete, our rosters are big enough. The way we have it right now we basically reward teams that purposely don't set their lineup or teams that keep getting turned over to new gms every year with the top picks in the draft.
Whatever we decide I think the system we have now isn't working and we need to find something that keeps all the teams engaged.
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Jul 13, 2012 12:57:27 GMT -6
I actually completely disagree but agree LOL I think this way has worked for years and don't want any change BUT think this idea of a losers bracket is a good idea as well
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Jul 13, 2012 13:05:18 GMT -6
what I definitely suggest though is keeping the divisions on different sides if we do this. Meaning if one team wins their division they should not have to face their 2nd place team in the finals. Just like MLB we'd never have the Yankees play the Red Sox in the World Series they get to play an NL team. So we should set up the same way and have weighted schedules. So well here (for example) TJ should never have to face Jared in a championship game. If he beat him all year for months and months then Jared gets lucky in the last week of the year it makes the whole league flukey and loses credibility.
What makes this all hard is the schedules. Not everyone plays the same schedules and it's impossible for it to change. So we need to figure out who gets the hard schedule and the easy ones unless we scrap the divisions there will always be weighted schedules.
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Post by Red Sox GM(Landon) on Jul 13, 2012 13:41:46 GMT -6
The only way we can keep division team from playing each other in a championship game is if we incorporate an AL/NL type thing where the winners from certain 2 divisions would always play each other in the first round, which I could see that working.
And I agree with Yanks here, this is working. Would it be nice to get another team or two in the playoffs? Sure but it's not like we are running on a broken system
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Jul 13, 2012 14:45:27 GMT -6
I just have one final word on this and again I am not against adding a wild card just think it will add more problems to a league that isn't broken. The reason baseball added teams and the NFL added wild cards was for parity. We in this league have GREAT parity though.
Look beyond the last year and a half and what we have is a league that has never had a repeat champion. That is awesome in a fantasy league. If you look at the winner from just 3 and 4 years ago they are now not even playoff teams. Jared always makes it a point to say how I didn't even make the playoffs for 3 years and won last year. Where his team made the playoffs 3 years in a row and missed last season. Last season's best record team didn't win it all and I see teams building the right way. Royals is scary, Cubs looks like he has a plan, Rays has the chips to compete and more. If you're in a dynasty league you have to have a long term plan and be committed anyway or those are owners we really don't want.
If we looked at the teams just last year the Nats would never have been a threat and in one offseason he is a threat for a ring. We have great parity in this league and maybe for 2 year stretches guys will make the playoffs but over the last 4 years look at the playoff teams, every team in the league but 2 have made the playoffs. That should keep teams interested. The fact I didn't make it for 3 years then won it all should keep them interested, Nationals dramatic turn around and more.
Basically to sum it up I really love this league, I think everything is working the way it should and for years it's been great watching team after team be able to compete with really no powerhouse to speak of. I won't stand in the way of a wild card but feel it's totally unnecessary and wanted to give a little history for those who are new to the league.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Jul 13, 2012 19:31:21 GMT -6
Before some of you were around, we never had this issue.
2 division. Each winner gets in. The next 2 best overall records get in...
If we don't weight the schedule and make it random it works.
If we do weight it to division it works.
IT IS BROKE PEOPLE!
The 7th best team is on set to MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! How can you not see this?
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Post by Red Sox GM(Landon) on Jul 13, 2012 19:35:13 GMT -6
Quit complaining and win your division. In the MLB teams win their divisions with records that aren't as good as those that sit at home in the playoffs. It happens sometimes in the pros and it can happen in fantasy.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Jul 13, 2012 20:01:40 GMT -6
yeah, but if the goal is to put the best team in, this is retarded. It makes playing almost pointless...
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Jul 13, 2012 20:13:33 GMT -6
I just think its broke in regards that we need to figure something out to keep more teams in engaged throughout the season.
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Post by New York Mets GM(Randy) on Jul 16, 2012 11:51:55 GMT -6
I am in for whatever we decide. I realize that I am the beneficiary of the schedule this year but that was not my goal from the get go. I just think that if we have divisions, we should play those teams more often to have a chance to catch each other or show who is better. I think it's good that Cards and Braves play each other twice rather than one of them getting a bottom dweller twice while the other one gets a division winner. Now that may happen with the other two teams you play but you match up with them due to finishing slots. I will work on the schedule every year & do whatever the league decides & figure out how to make it work. Just let me know what that means.
Cards, I appreciate your thoughts and the fact that you want to improve this league but it sure feels like the only time this league will work for you is if you are in first and everyone accepts every trade you ever offer or every league setting change you propose. This isn't Baseball Mogul or Out of the Park Baseball. You have real people running other teams here and they don't always see things exactly the way you do. You have good ideas on improvements. It would just be nice to hear them without a huge dramatic complaint on how the league is folding if we don't make the proposed change.
BTW, I like the consolation bracket for picks it's kind of like the draft lottery except with being able to compete for results. And it could be just for the first round order with the remaining rounds being based on record.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Jul 16, 2012 13:40:04 GMT -6
Mets. This has been a problem since we changed it. The only reason it worked the first year is bc we balanced the divisions from the prior year.
If you were the team getting screwed after 5 years you might be as upset as I am.
It makes me want to quit to see you get in and my division depend on which team can stay then healthiest for 6 weeks.
Tj and I have no room for error like people in be league with comfortable leads that we can't control.
It's broke. We had 2 divisions the first two years and never had this problem! I don't even know why we changed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 14:28:48 GMT -6
Cards, I appreciate your thoughts and the fact that you want to improve this league but it sure feels like the only time this league will work for you is if you are in first and everyone accepts every trade you ever offer or every league setting change you propose. This isn't Baseball Mogul or Out of the Park Baseball. You have real people running other teams here and they don't always see things exactly the way you do. BTW, I like the consolation bracket for picks it's kind of like the draft lottery except with being able to compete for results. And it could be just for the first round order with the remaining rounds being based on record. LOVE THIS!!! ;D |
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Nov 19, 2014 19:39:19 GMT -6
So are we gonna fix this?
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