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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Feb 18, 2018 7:53:22 GMT -6
So after much thought and discussions with multiple owners I think I've formulated a policy that will incorporate both ideas and really benefit the league. This is going to have multiple changes within it so please read all of it. I can break this up if you guys feel that would be better.
We have agreed that we want a change of policy to take affect starting with would have been next seasons RFAs. We have also established that a RFA gives the holder matching rights at 90% with the ability to extend the contract years up to 4 years.
What I am now proposing is that we replace the current RFA protections with the system detailed below.
I propose that each year an owner can designate up to 2 RFAs that would still go thru the auction process. An owner would also have the ability to hand out 1 max contract (minimum 2 year length). That would give a max of 32 RFAs each year as 16 players that could potentially not hit the market at all.
For the max contract price we would use the same figures that we currently use for the rookie buyouts. But with this policy change I would also propose that we change the number of players used to figure the OF and SP prices, from the top 5 to the top 8. Outfielders and Starters have the largest player pool so it's only logical that they draw from little larger pool to accurately determine their price. Based on our current contracts this would drop the OF from $43.30 to $38.95 and the SPs from $41.55 to $34.90.
That is the framework for what I think we should put in place. I don't vote on these things so I need to hear from you guys Obviously we would still need to discuss things like when you would have to designate the RFA, before or after auction.
The poll is just so I can get a better idea of where everyone stands on this.
Also, after it is decided what the new policy should be I want to circle back to the idea of compensating owners next off-season for the rule change. I don't know if that means we give owners an extra RFA to designate next year or give them a team option year contract to hand out. I don't know but I do think it is something we need to discuss after the new policy is established.
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Feb 18, 2018 10:31:52 GMT -6
This is a great compromise. The OF and SP's RFA rights definitely are inflated and this should help us long term.
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Post by Red Sox GM(Landon) on Feb 18, 2018 18:37:08 GMT -6
Is any player eligible for the max contract extension? and this doesn’t affect the rookie buyout does it?
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Feb 18, 2018 18:41:32 GMT -6
The rookie buyout would still be in place, the only affect the above proposal would have on that is adjusting the OF and SP prices to the top 8.
Rookie already have this in place so all other players would be eligible for extension.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Feb 19, 2018 18:21:29 GMT -6
Looks like most of you guys are in favor of this proposal.
Do we want to discuss when we would have to designate the RFAs or do we want to pass the above proposal and worry about that later?
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Post by Cincinnati Reds (Mike) on Feb 19, 2018 21:52:33 GMT -6
Just to make sure I'm clear on everything and that whatever we write up is as explicit as possible: -The only rookie buyout change is that OF and SP will be calculated based on the Top 8 average salary at each position, rather than the Top 5. Otherwise, before the final year of a player's rookie contract, owners have the ability to buy out the last year of the rookie contract + 4 more. If an owner has multiple players who qualify that they would like to extend, they may do so. -Each offseason, an owner can give a 'max contract' to one impending free agent, following the same salary structure as the rookie buyout. The max contract must be offered for at least 2 years, and can be offered to any free agent. (The wrinkle that I just realized here is you could offer this to someone on their rookie contract finishing their last year -- which means you could keep that last rookie year at $10 and then still add the 4 years at the same rate or close to it. So the only driver to buy out a rookie a year in advance is if there are multiple guys in the same year that you are interested in extending, or if there is some other player you'd prefer to give that max contract offer to the following year.) -Each offseason, an owner can tag any two pending free agents as Restricted Free Agents. An auction is held as normal. The owner has the ability to retain the player for 90% the cost of the winning bid, for at least as many years as the winning bid. I think we can pass what we have in this thread, but I may as well include my thoughts on the declaration timing... -I would say RFAs should be declared prior to our offseason beginning (draft + auction). Basically the same time as when we exercise or decline player options for the next year. -I mainly suggest this because I think RFA rights should still be a tradeable commodity, and we'd want those available as soon as we start to trade in the offseason. For example, if I have 15 free agents and am worried about restocking my roster - and Indians has 4 free agents, but only really cares about bringing back 1 of them, he could tag a player I'm interested in and trade me the rights for whatever... We stay set at 32 total RFA auctions. -I guess we could potentially discuss whether it's OK to trade RFA tags or max contract tags without them being attached to a player... if I have 15 free agents and want to bring back my guys, maybe I just want to trade for a tag. That's kind of a weird idea, but maybe it's worth discussing. With regards to the ideas about not declaring RFA rights until after an auction is finished, like a couple people have mentioned - I'm kind of intrigued by the strategy component. I worry about things getting personal though. I think we're all mature adults, but I can imagine someone changing their minds from what they might have done initially because a division rival wins a player...or just someone annoys someone during an auction, haha.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Feb 20, 2018 5:18:18 GMT -6
It wasn't clear but with what I proposed you would not be able to buyout a rookie after his $10 season but you would still be able to tag them as a RFA.
I agree with you about tagging the RFAs. I would like to see it done prior some that we would be able to trade them but I am intrigued by the strategy of a post auction tag. I'm just not sure how that will work out
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Feb 20, 2018 5:34:01 GMT -6
If I remember correctly, part of the risk/reward compromise when the rookie buyout was passed was buyin out that 4th year and paying the higher price. I don't want to circumvent that.
Also with the RFA thing, if everyone is intrigued by how the post auction tag would work, we could try next offseason. If it doesn't work out we can always go back to tagging before the auction.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Feb 20, 2018 9:20:19 GMT -6
With that in mind. Tonight I will try to write an official policy change that will go into the rule book
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Post by New York Mets GM(Randy) on Feb 20, 2018 10:29:18 GMT -6
I know that I am the one who started the post auction RFA idea but I have no clue how it would work out either. My whole line of thinking on this is so that auctions have players go for fair market value and that there are not just a handful of owners trying to bump prices to that value. It also allows the owners of the rights to conceal their strategy a little longer but makes it so much harder to track. And I don't know if that concealment is worth it. Also, if we only have 24 RFA auctions, it may make it easier for us to get that value to where it should be. As my mind is trying to wrap around all of this, I can't come up with a good process to do the post auction tags.
So what about this? What if all FAs are RFAs from the end of the season until the Monday before the Super Bowl (or whatever date we pick). By that date, each owner needs to drop down to two. This way we can trade any of our RFA rights throughout the draft until that date and then have a week to figure out our FA strategy after everyone is named. Any thoughts on this?
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Post by New York Mets GM(Randy) on Feb 20, 2018 10:29:55 GMT -6
This could also be the date that we name our max contracts.
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Post by Tampa Bay Rays GM(Jordan) on Feb 20, 2018 11:04:18 GMT -6
I know that I am the one who started the post auction RFA idea but I have no clue how it would work out either. My whole line of thinking on this is so that auctions have players go for fair market value and that there are not just a handful of owners trying to bump prices to that value. It also allows the owners of the rights to conceal their strategy a little longer but makes it so much harder to track. And I don't know if that concealment is worth it. Also, if we only have 24 RFA auctions, it may make it easier for us to get that value to where it should be. As my mind is trying to wrap around all of this, I can't come up with a good process to do the post auction tags. So what about this? What if all FAs are RFAs from the end of the season until the Monday before the Super Bowl (or whatever date we pick). By that date, each owner needs to drop down to two. This way we can trade any of our RFA rights throughout the draft until that date and then have a week to figure out our FA strategy after everyone is named. Any thoughts on this? U want a fair Market put in Pick compensation for those Morons who Overpay
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Post by Tampa Bay Rays GM(Jordan) on Oct 23, 2018 10:21:53 GMT -6
It wasn't clear but with what I proposed you would not be able to buyout a rookie after his $10 season but you would still be able to tag them as a RFA. I agree with you about tagging the RFAs. I would like to see it done prior some that we would be able to trade them but I am intrigued by the strategy of a post auction tag. I'm just not sure how that will work out
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Oct 23, 2018 22:52:25 GMT -6
Can we franchise tag a guy after their rookie Contract or just RFA them?
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Post by Tampa Bay Rays GM(Jordan) on Oct 24, 2018 9:48:37 GMT -6
After their $10 season no , you either tag them with RFA or let them hit the market with no Restrictions. I do believe that after they hit the Market , whoever signs one no matter the years , when the contract expires u can tag them with the Franchise if they are worth it
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