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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Aug 17, 2022 16:31:48 GMT -6
Well, I guess I can throw in my thoughts for whatever they are worth. Looking at the format first, I like roto, but that will even be harder to keep teams involved as more teams drop out of contention faster in that format than Head-to-Head and it will also limit trades as there will be fewer buyers in the long run. This could also be true as we lower the number of divisions. As we complain about certain teams every year, I do feel that it has rotated divisions on where those inactive teams are at. For a while, my division was pretty weak, but I feel it is very tough now with Cubs, Rangers, and Royals. Over the past 4 years, we have had the champions come from 3 divisions, the best record in the league from 2 divisions (no one in 2020), and the roto winner from 3 divisions. In the last 3 years we have had playoffs (2018, 2019, 2021) we have had 12 different teams make it. With 75% of the teams making the playoffs in 3 years over a 4 year span, that seems to be a pretty solid, balanced league. What if we kept four divisions, but restructured the teams in each division every so many years (2, 3, 5, whatever). At the end of this year, we will have 5 years of data on Fantrax (one being 2020). We could take cumulative records over that span and divide teams up like the NCAA brackets (1,8,9,16; 2,7,10,15 etc.). This should spread out stronger teams while rewarding longevity of success. Obviously, our 2020 season throws a wrench in some of this, but this might be able to happen. Extremely valid points here. There probably are a lot of benefits to the four divisions that I may have overlooked. Looking at the tanking issue, it seems that there is a magic number of games played for teams. If the total number of GP is below 2,000, it seems that those teams are inactive/not competing regularly. Now we need to be careful with what this number is with Rockies, who has fewer games due to not using SPs. Royals tends to also have fewer games, but productive games due to the quality of the players he starts. We could do a lottery style for the 1st round of the draft with the percentages that Brewers created, but we could eliminate teams that do not reach the minimum number of GP if we would want to discourage tanking. For example, any team with less than 2,000 games will pick before the playoff teams, but after the other teams have been ordered through the lottery. I like this wrinkle a lot. We'd have to look into this more as I don't think the number is 2,000 games because of Rox and Royals rosters but somewhere in the 1750-1950 range could probably work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 20:13:47 GMT -6
I would be ok with a draft lottery for the bottom three teams. Usually your top three picks are all going to be really great players anyway.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Aug 18, 2022 3:59:47 GMT -6
Im up for any changes in the draft as long as its not this upcoming one. Like i said you think i wanted to suck this Bad just to get the 1st . Sometimes its injuries to key players and underperformers like Baez and Bichette etc . And a month ago or so i saw that i dont have a chance , so might ad well trade some guys to go for the #1 pick as a reward for sucking so bad This is exactly why we should do play offs for the bottom 8 and who ever wins gets first pick. They will be managing competitive teams more likely.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Aug 18, 2022 4:06:16 GMT -6
Im up for any changes in the draft as long as its not this upcoming one. Like i said you think i wanted to suck this Bad just to get the 1st . Sometimes its injuries to key players and underperformers like Baez and Bichette etc . And a month ago or so i saw that i dont have a chance , so might ad well trade some guys to go for the #1 pick as a reward for sucking so bad This is exactly why we should do play offs for the bottom 8 and who ever wins gets first pick. They will be managing competitive teams more likely. People would still probably take for a chance at a top 3. We all know the proper way to build a team is to in season sign. Building a farm club is a 5 year thing and a very low conversion %. Look what I’m dealing with in wander Franco. However Tommy edman was an immediate turn around and a top player for cheap.
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Post by New York Mets GM(Randy) on Aug 18, 2022 8:43:49 GMT -6
Im up for any changes in the draft as long as its not this upcoming one. Like i said you think i wanted to suck this Bad just to get the 1st . Sometimes its injuries to key players and underperformers like Baez and Bichette etc . And a month ago or so i saw that i dont have a chance , so might ad well trade some guys to go for the #1 pick as a reward for sucking so bad This is exactly why we should do play offs for the bottom 8 and who ever wins gets first pick. They will be managing competitive teams more likely. My worry with this is that it would kill in-season trades, as the only way a team gets the #1 pick is to stay competitive so they will not be sellers. This really only rewards teams #7-10 with the top pick. This could actually have the negative consequence of a team tanking the last few weeks in order to miss the playoffs and have a shot at the #1 pick instead of earning the 2nd wildcard spot.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Aug 18, 2022 9:09:08 GMT -6
Mets - not to be rude but you can't have it both ways.
They are gonna tank for chance at top 3 or be competitive/active all year in hopes of getting in playoffs to win that number 1 pick.
Some division doesn't end up with a mariners/rays scenario that we are dealing with.
It might just be me but I don't think getting the 1st pick is as much of a lock as we think...
Top fantasy players have not correlated over 50% for top 10 guys for the last decade or so.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Aug 18, 2022 9:21:20 GMT -6
I agree with Mets. I've only heard the toilet bowl out of one person and it seems like most everyone else we've heard from is in favor of a draft lottery.
Cards if you are just looking at the players picked at the #1 spot you aren't looking at the whole picture. What about pick #17, 33, 49... or what you can trade the #1 overall slot for? Trading down from 1 for another 1st and more picks and/or a player can be a huge boost imo.
I think what we're do is realign divisions and use a NBA style draft lottery and possibly institute the games played wrinkle the following season.
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Post by New York Mets GM(Randy) on Aug 18, 2022 10:02:17 GMT -6
Cards - I don't think you're being rude at all. I appreciate your thoughts on this. I hope I didn't come across as rude myself.
There is going to be tanking either way, I agree. I don't think we can stop a Mariners/Rays scenario no matter what unless there is a GP minimum. A playoff for the #1 pick is not going to encourage the bottom teams as I don't think Rays, M's, or Phils think they could compete in a playoff with teams #7-10 right now. So a #1 pick playoff won't stop them from tanking. But it may encourage other teams who have an outside shot at the playoffs to do that.
I also agree that the #1 pick is not as wonderful as we think it is, but that doesn't stop our league from continually looking to try to get that pick. The reality compared to the perception doesn't really matter as long as teams are continually aiming for the perception.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Aug 18, 2022 11:51:40 GMT -6
There is intential tanking and then there is building for next year not this year.
Toilet bow encourages staying involved. Draft lottery doesn't fix a thing.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Aug 20, 2022 11:06:11 GMT -6
Guys are going to either stay involved or they're not and if they're not they'll eventually be replaced. I don't believe a toilet bowl is going to encourage the teams we have that are inactive to suddenly want to pay attention to this league. But it would allow a team that is purposely tanking to make a run for a top pick at the end so I don't see where a toilet bowl helps the tanking issue. And personally I believe tanking is the bigger issue here. By now most of us understand the we are mostly likely always going to have 1-3 teams that are less engaged than the rest of us. I've been in the league 12 years now and that seems to have always been the case.
In the next day or so I will post a poll for a NBA style lottery draft.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Aug 23, 2022 19:40:01 GMT -6
Why would you purposely tank if you have to be the best of the bottom 8?
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Aug 24, 2022 6:21:30 GMT -6
To get into the bottom 8 Is that really that hard to figure out?
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Aug 24, 2022 7:56:23 GMT -6
the bottom 4 teams are the problem here. Rays (playing by the rules to get #1) will effect who makes playoffs and wins the league, not cubs who is trying to make the playoffs. I'm just referencing this years scenario.
The lottery is giving an incentive to tank (similar to how we are now).
I'd rather have someone trying put together a team that has a shot and is active in season for a shot at then number 1 rather than purposeful tanking (rays who is playing by our rules) and mariners (non-extistent)
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Post by Red Sox GM(Landon) on Aug 24, 2022 8:47:52 GMT -6
Let's just put this to a vote already
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Aug 24, 2022 10:01:48 GMT -6
Sorry got sidetracked with school.
Poll is posted.
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