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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Nov 22, 2011 19:19:34 GMT -6
Rockies I wasn't trying to scrap the idea my point was simply for example this year I have $130 to spend and next year have 3 key free agents up. So why do I have to wait to sign those guys. Which this system forces me to wait which means I'll just grab huge priced guys this year. Trust me I don't mind at all scrapping the idea and going true dynasty format but it's definitely not what I was aiming for. Basically I feel that if you have the cap you should spend it however you want.
With all that said I totally agree with Braves where we should have no limit on years at all.
The only problem I see with the system Braves and you suggest is simply if Jose Bautista is bid on for say one year $70 M this year , someone can win him for $15 for 6 years and win , but in concept I am very much with the extending years rather than base salary idea. I tried to propose this last year with the Jeter situation that everyone jumped all over me for.
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Post by Colorado Rockies GM(John) on Nov 22, 2011 19:33:56 GMT -6
I wasnt criticizing at all. I kind of like the idea of a true dynasty league anyways, but I know not everybody follows the minor leagues.
As far as that example goes, if the owner is willing to lock in for 6 years then he gets the bonus of a lower salary. I dont see a problem with that because you lose flexibility. I do think if you decide to cut the guy down the road you should have to pay more than 50% in penalty though.
I also think that there will be some kind of "angle" or loophole to play no matter what is decided on, but that the cumulative contract proposal eliminates the most.
Im in the same boat. I have almost 200M in cap room to basically target 3 guys because I know thats what it will take. As it is now, there really is no incentive to bid more than 1 year on a deal because as you pointed out you would get all that cap back next year if the player doesnt work out. And if he does work out, you will have 60-80M or whatever freed up to get him for 1 year again.
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Nov 22, 2011 19:40:32 GMT -6
yeah definitely agree 100% , so I guess we need to get a good system down and have a vote then
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Nov 22, 2011 22:11:38 GMT -6
Hey Cards you know the term don't throw stones while in glass houses? Nick Franklin is 21 years old and a projected 2012 September call up at a prime position, who will be a starter in 2013 exactly when I will lose my starting SS. you selected in the first ..... wait for it ... Hector Rondon LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Hector Rondon had TJ surgery. What is your excuse on the franklin bust when u coulda had luebke or arenado?
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Nov 22, 2011 22:26:44 GMT -6
a 20 year old who is the projected starting SS for 2013 is a bust ? I know you don't know much about minor leaguers but do some research before you speak please, you sound more and more stupid everytime you open your mouth
by the way Cards definition of a bust - - a 20 year old switch hitting middle infielder who had almost identical stats although moved up leagues, is considered by every minor league scout as the Mariners best position player, made two all star teams winning the MVP of the game in the fall league in a game that featured Trout, Harper oh and Arenado hahahahahaha your such a joke
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Nov 23, 2011 7:17:23 GMT -6
I like the cumulative contracts, was kind of surprised that wasn't how it worked when i joined but i do think you would have to put a years limit on it so you don't get guys dragging out contract for 10+ years just so its cheaper and cheap to cut
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Post by New York Yankees GM(Tommy) on Nov 23, 2011 7:27:23 GMT -6
I'd suggest something like a 6 year limit but have an exception where you can keep 3-4 guys for very long deals. Once these are handed out they can not be revoked so it's not like half the league will have these huge contracts but just like any major league team you keep your core 3-4 guys
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Post by Atlanta Braves GM(T.J.) on Nov 23, 2011 7:48:36 GMT -6
The only problem I see with the system Braves and you suggest is simply if Jose Bautista is bid on for say one year $70 M this year , someone can win him for $15 for 6 years and win. Noone is going to win Bautista for that but yes that bid would trump the $70 bid. Logically I would think he would end up with a $200-$225 cumulative contract. 4yrs - $50. 5yrs - $45 but who really knows.
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Post by Atlanta Braves GM(T.J.) on Nov 23, 2011 9:27:02 GMT -6
Rockies and I are discussing the potential rule changes and should put these up for league vote soon.
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Post by Colorado Rockies GM(John) on Nov 23, 2011 18:51:37 GMT -6
I like the cumulative contracts, was kind of surprised that wasn't how it worked when i joined but i do think you would have to put a years limit on it so you don't get guys dragging out contract for 10+ years just so its cheaper and cheap to cut I totally agree Stars. I think the limit should be 5 years but thats kind of arbitrary I admit. Because you know guys will start handing out 15 year contracts if there is no limit.
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Post by Brewers GM(Mike) on Nov 23, 2011 19:33:52 GMT -6
I kinda like what Yanks said 6 yr max but maybe able to hand out 2 longer contracts per team up to say 10 yr max. Just a thought.
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Post by adamdunnsbigstick on Feb 23, 2012 16:24:35 GMT -6
Hey guys remember this thread and that cards said he was gonna sign cano for 65? ah man....good times that.
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Post by Cardinals GM(Jared) on Feb 23, 2012 16:28:28 GMT -6
I decided to go 61 on Jose instead haha
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